Curse

Eragon Zarroc · Jan 15, 2010, 12:25 AM // 00:25

nty, its fine the way it is

Puddin Cheeks · Jan 15, 2010, 01:00 AM // 01:00

/signed

Don't raise the tradeable cap, make personal hold 100-500k, chest 10mil.

I myself tend to spend it once i get 700k in there but i could see this helping some of the people that have to diligently trade with their mules and hope they dont get flagged for RMT to their own second account.

EDIT: I have sold all of my ecto, but i would like to defend against the 100k trade staying like it is. The ecto basically(artificially) became of value when people decided it was just rare enough to turn into a monetary valued item amongst players.

The reason this happened was solely because of the trade cap on gold for items that are valued above 100k(pretty obvious). If you take away the need for the artificially made item, it becomes useless. Others have stated this and it will happen instantly if the trade cap was increase over 200k.

You would have a mass selling of ecto to trader from almost everyone that believes this mechanism and it would probably land somewhere around an onyx gemstone pretty quick only because of how many are out there in peoples' storage. End of my tried explanation.

Turbo Ginsu · Jan 15, 2010, 02:44 AM // 02:44

/Signed.

NwN's very stable economy was never affected by the fact that there is no gold cap on players. Hell, NwN has so few storage issues that the Player Chest is a novelty, not a necessity.

The 5x increase is a nice start, but remove it altogether and you'll see a couple things. Ecto will no longer be needed as a trade money source, prices will increase slightly simply due to the fact that there is more gold about, but eventually, due to people being able to handle large amounts of gold, which is not at all subject to the same sorts of value fluctuation as a liquid asset such as ecto, the economy will stabilise itself, and may even work properly for once. That's a novel idea indeed.

Shasgaliel · Jan 15, 2010, 11:40 AM // 11:40

I do not care so much about post however I would love to have this cap increased in pre.

/signed

Morphy · Jan 15, 2010, 01:20 PM // 13:20

/notsigned.

It's hard to predict how this might affect ecto prices. Chaos could ensue. Do we really want to risk that for an issue this small?

Shasgaliel · Jan 15, 2010, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morphy

/notsigned.

It's hard to predict how this might affect ecto prices. Chaos could ensue. Do we really want to risk that for an issue this small?

If it will drop ecto prices I would even double sign it. I really do not like this monopoly game happening now in gw.

HawkofStorms · Jan 15, 2010, 04:59 PM // 16:59

/notsigned

This will have a detrimental impact on the economy. You can't do stuff like this retroactively. If this had been implemented when the game first came out or even just a few months into the game, that would have been fine. But doing this now would just cause all sorts of craziness.

@Shasgaliel, real nice attitude. You just want to screw over everybody else. You don't want to work for anything in the game. Ie, all the rich people who have a monopoly, 90% of them worked there asses off to get there, the others bought gold or got a really lucky drop, and even those people don't hang on to their money for long. It's not like this is the real world where some lucky SOBs just inherient millions they didn't earn. People who have money in this game were playing on an even playing field with everybody else. When you made your first character, everybody had zero gold and nothing but 3-5 damage starter weapons. Don't complain about being poor in a video game. It's not like it matters. It's not like you are starving to death or need money in a game were all the gear is ascetic anyways. If you want money in GW... go earn it like the rest of the rich players.

spirit of defeat · Jan 16, 2010, 08:06 PM // 20:06

/signed
for the character purse.
/notsigned
for the chest

It helps trade and why would you need more then 1000K ?
If you have more go to ecto's or charity

3cho · Feb 03, 2010, 08:43 PM // 20:43

/signed
Should be like inf cause I just want to sell my Kanaxai for gold only.

Lanier · Feb 03, 2010, 08:47 PM // 20:47

/notsigned

no one needs that much gold anyway. If you really have farmed so much money that your storage is full and your ecto's panel is full, uninstall guildwars and go get yourself a life. seriously.

Commander Kanen · Feb 04, 2010, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Yeah. also make the trade cap bigger. so you dont HAVE to buy things that are "100k+50e"

/signed

Grim Aragorn · Feb 04, 2010, 01:01 AM // 01:01

/signed

have always wished for this, i hate having to use other items when trading, straight cash is much better for economy and it makes things much easier.

gremlin · Nov 27, 2010, 08:24 AM // 08:24

Would I be right in saying many of the people who don't want this have a substantial investment in ectos and are busy farming for more.
Not saying that is wrong just an observation.

As I posted in another thread now closed it is very inconvenient to have to buy ectos to make a trade with another player.

Any player should be able to pay any amount they wish without any artificial limit if they have the cash they should be able to spend it.
If altering the currency badly affects the price of ectos so be it, start dumping them now so you won't get caught out if they drop in value.

Or perhaps a better suggestion which would preserve the value of ectos.

If your going to use ectos or anything else as currency then its value should be fixed in the game and it should be removed from the rare material traders list.

So we would have Gold Platinum Ecto.
Problem solved we can trade in ectos and they would act as real currency.

Since it already exists in the game it shouldn't take much time to remove it from all the traders and fix its value.

Spookii · Nov 27, 2010, 07:49 PM // 19:49

/signed

I absolutely hate buying anything over 100k just because I have to:

A) Go out and buy ectos. This makes me have to dodge people trying to get as much pure gold for their ectos as possible, just so I don't watch my hard earned cash poof into thin air (14e vs 15e per 100k, or whatever the going rate is).

B) Then try to haggle with the person on how much they think that ectos are worth. Same issue as before, just reversed roles.

Buying something for 500k is 500k flat, there's no riff-raff. Buying something for 500k in ectos could either mean you are getting it for cheaper or they're getting more money for their item (depending on who is willing to break first AND how cheap you got your ectos/how high they can sell them).

Xenomortis · Nov 27, 2010, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Ectos will lose some value, but they won't crash.
I really don't see any point though. Any reasonable limit is as good as any other, and no limit will cause economic problems.

Morphy · Nov 27, 2010, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by gremlin

Would I be right in saying many of the people who don't want this have a substantial investment in ectos and are busy farming for more.
Not saying that is wrong just an observation.

No, you wouldn't. Perhaps you might want to read people's arguments before making vile and overgeneralized statements like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spookii

B) Then try to haggle with the person on how much they think that ectos are worth. Same issue as before, just reversed roles.

Buying something for 500k is 500k flat, there's no riff-raff. Buying something for 500k in ectos could either mean you are getting it for cheaper or they're getting more money for their item (depending on who is willing to break first AND how cheap you got your ectos/how high they can sell them).

Flawed theorycraft. People always ask for ecto's when prices get high, I've never seen anyone ask 500k for a certain item. Haggling will happen with pure cash as much as it happens with ecto's because the price of the sold item isn't set in stone either.

gremlin · Nov 27, 2010, 09:20 PM // 21:20

[QUOTE=Morphy;5318495]No, you wouldn't. Perhaps you might want to read people's arguments before making vile and overgeneralized statements like that.

Apologise if the comment is considered overgeneralised and Vile but I cannot see any reason whatsoever to not have a better currency system other than the greed some people seem to display.

Many times the argument against increasing the cap is that it will cause a price crash in Ectos who cares about such a crash other than those who have a large investment in ectos.

I have one ecto if the price dropped to 1 gold tomorrow it would make no difference to me if I had just farmed or worse power traded myself to 100 ectos I would be pretty annoyed.

That is why I asked the question

Whatever the arguments against a larger cap or more coin types the present system of barter to make up the difference is just silly and worse it is elitist.

Every player has access to gold and platinum but not everyone has access to Ectos and armbracers and the like.
What that means in fact is many of the casual player cannot easily get them for themselves so have to buy them off the players who can.

Do you really think that a system where I have to buy my coinage "ectos" off one player at a price they set to then go argue with another player that they really are worth that price and use them to buy something else.

It is totally and utterly stupid and if I have alienated all the players on the forum by somehow accusing them of being greedy then I can live with it.
There is no defence whatsoever to not improve the coinage system do away with ecto bartering.

Morphy · Nov 27, 2010, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Lol, anyone can farm ecto's/ambraces. Those areas stopped being a challenge a long time ago. Cut the crap, man.

NerfHerder · Nov 27, 2010, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spookii

Buying something for 500k is 500k flat, there's no riff-raff. Buying something for 500k in ectos could either mean you are getting it for cheaper or they're getting more money for their item (depending on who is willing to break first AND how cheap you got your ectos/how high they can sell them).

^this /signed

And Morphy just proved Spookii's arguement. It doesnt matter if its 500k or 100k and 1 gold. Something other than gold will be used that is not as precise of a trading tool. At the least we should be haggling over a more accurate price. Ecto traders dont like to sell 14-15 ectos and X amount of gold because it means they will have to pay a fair price. If the item being sold and the currency(ecto) are both variable in worth, establishing a price becomes twice as tricky. If trading caps are taken out of the picture a more accurate price can be established.

And if you want to talk about stopping gold farmers that sell for real money. Just google buy Guild Wars gold and read a couple websites. They dont even farm gold anymore, they prefer ectos. I dont know what it is, but something is wrong with that picture. I feel sympathy for people that have to convert gold into ectos(or anything worth over 100k) when they reach their limit. Because ectos can fluctuate depending on skill/content updates, Armbrace says "Hi"! Increasing the trading and storage cap is one way to maintain a fair trading system.

Another fix could be like Zcoins. You could purchase a coin that would be customized to you that is the same as X amount of gold that you could cash in at any time. That would solve the bank cap. But, you would still need things like ectos to buy things over 100k. Another solution would be tradable coins worth X amount of gold. The latter seems the best solution vs raising the trading/storage cap.

A stack of ectos is worth 1.5-1.7 mil in gold at the low end. If I cant hold that much in my bank from normal gameplay, why am I forced to buy/trade ectos(or any substitute) at a variable worth?

*lemming* · Nov 27, 2010, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Ectos will lose some value, but they won't crash.

They most likely will. The value of ectos is mostly entirely based on their usage as a medium of exchange. They wouldn't be worth that much more than shards if this weren't the case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gremlin

Whatever the arguments against a larger cap or more coin types the present system of barter to make up the difference is just silly and worse it is elitist.

Every player has access to gold and platinum but not everyone has access to Ectos and armbracers and the like.
What that means in fact is many of the casual player cannot easily get them for themselves so have to buy them off the players who can.

Do you really think that a system where I have to buy my coinage "ectos" off one player at a price they set to then go argue with another player that they really are worth that price and use them to buy something else.

It is totally and utterly stupid and if I have alienated all the players on the forum by somehow accusing them of being greedy then I can live with it.
There is no defence whatsoever to not improve the coinage system do away with ecto bartering.

lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by NerfHerder

And if you want to talk about stopping gold farmers that sell for real money. Just google buy Guild Wars gold and read a couple websites. They dont even farm gold anymore, they prefer ectos. I dont know what it is, but something is wrong with that picture. I feel sympathy for people that have to convert gold into ectos(or anything worth over 100k) when they reach their limit. Because ectos can fluctuate depending on skill/content updates, Armbrace says "Hi"! Increasing the trading and storage cap is one way to maintain a fair trading system.

I'm not sure if you realize that increasing the gold cap would cause ectos to "fluctuate" more than it has the entire time since Shadow Form came out.

Also, this has nothing to do with gold selling.